Curse

maraxusofk · Oct 08, 2007, 05:43 AM // 05:43

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Originally Posted by Esan

Sundering? Bah, junk.

ok how about now

Jhadur · Oct 08, 2007, 07:34 AM // 07:34

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Originally Posted by NoXiFy

100k+3000e+50-90 armbrace or so. not sure. exactly.

Nothing like that sort of price I'd say more like 700-900 ecto range.

The most expensive thing I've seen sell was a mini Kanaxi in High End recently
I think the end bid was 100k + 1500ectos + 60 Armbraces which works out
somewhere in the region of 30 million.

This is worked out as trader price for ectos at the time was 5.5k each and armbraces I still see go for 100k +40e

maraxusofk · Oct 08, 2007, 08:44 AM // 08:44

More like 22mil b/c 200 ectos = 1 mil.
1500 = 7.5 mil
1 armbrace = about 100k+30e
60 = 6000k + 1800e
6+7.5+9 22.5 mil

Sparda · Oct 08, 2007, 03:04 PM // 15:04

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Originally Posted by Jhadur

Nothing like that sort of price I'd say more like 700-900 ecto range.

The most expensive thing I've seen sell was a mini Kanaxi in High End recently
I think the end bid was 100k + 1500ectos + 60 Armbraces which works out
somewhere in the region of 30 million.

This is worked out as trader price for ectos at the time was 5.5k each and armbraces I still see go for 100k +40e

but then yet agian how is someone willing to get that much stuff im playing for 20 months i never seen 100k +1500 ecto + 60 braces. That stuff can't be fair some part yes but not al.
I'm a proud owner of 990k and 2 ecto ATM.
but so much ecto maybe but 60 braces is ridicilous it can't be.
And then yet again iff you are power trader you can olny store 1000k in storage and fill 26 char slots with 100k ea so 30 mil of platinum has to be somewhere.
And maybe you have more accounts to store but then get a life.

jackie · Oct 08, 2007, 04:00 PM // 16:00

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Originally Posted by Sparda

but then yet agian how is someone willing to get that much stuff im playing for 20 months i never seen 100k +1500 ecto + 60 braces.

one way is Power Trading, there used to be 'professional' (bit silly word here but anyways) guilds that moved large piles of material around. For example some individuals bought tens/hundreds of stacks of monstrous fangs/eyes & steel dirty cheap before Factions came and then started a rumour that they were needed in armours, there...massive profit reselling them back to happy players.

And that was just a minor thing compared to the ecto business back in prophecies time.

It's not hard to make money if you got some capital & couple of friends. I don't think there is power trading going on nowadays though, at least not in same way.

Exploiting stupid enemy A.I before update comes is another way. And by that I mean farming, UW used to quite different before all the nerfs.

Mordakai · Oct 08, 2007, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by jackie

one way is Power Trading, there used to be 'professional' (bit silly word here but anyways) guilds that moved large piles of material around. For example some individuals bought tens/hundreds of stacks of monstrous fangs/eyes & steel dirty cheap before Factions came and then started a rumour that they were needed in armours, there...massive profit reselling them back to happy players.

Well, seeing how Necro armors did require Fangs, Claws and Eyes it wasn't really a rumor...

But I often wondered if a Guild, even a Guild with lots of money and players, could really effect the global economy of a game with millions of players...

jackie · Oct 08, 2007, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Well, seeing how Necro armors did require Fangs, Claws and Eyes it wasn't really a rumor...

It was a rumour till we could see what was needed for those armors.

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

But I often wondered if a Guild, even a Guild with lots of money and players, could really effect the global economy of a game with millions of players...

Even one certain individual (many propably know who) managed to manipulate ecto price a little bit at material trader long time ago. And remember when some items were sold out from traders, superior absorption at one point etc, those weren't always just random coincidence.

Nothing major that had long term effect though.

dark_prince2023 · Oct 08, 2007, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by o m g pizowned

shiny things gave me something to work for..now that everything can be available to everyone, there's really no point left to play. once i use up the rest of my cash its gg for me

The casual player was the whole point of Guild Wars to begin with. If your not a casual player find a game to play while your waiting for the casual player to catch up. You could PVP thats not very casual. Heck I don't know why people complain about weps anyways I'm still runing around with a fire dragon sword of swardmanship (droped like this way back when) (need to chang the swardmanship out). Always get look at the noob lol guess what my armor is (knight) lol. oh well I will have a new sword when I get home bought the pre edition of GWEN. Wish they would come out with an axe 2 hammers and a sword come on. What I'm trying to say is why dose it really matter what wep you got. The only ones that should matter for people that want to hard core are ones that should be won in quest and not tradeable. Now there would be something worth your time. As for the market it has always sucked. It's not really playing a game when you sit in one spot for hours spamming buy/sell. If thats your thing your waisting your talents. gather some money and play the stocks its a much better thing to do.

VanDamselx · Oct 08, 2007, 07:25 PM // 19:25

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Originally Posted by dark_prince2023

The casual player was the whole point of Guild Wars to begin with. If your not a casual player find a game to play while your waiting for the casual player to catch up. You could PVP thats not very casual. Heck I don't know why people complain about weps anyways I'm still runing around with a fire dragon sword of swardmanship (droped like this way back when) (need to chang the swardmanship out). Always get look at the noob lol guess what my armor is (knight) lol. oh well I will have a new sword when I get home bought the pre edition of GWEN. Wish they would come out with an axe 2 hammers and a sword come on. What I'm trying to say is why dose it really matter what wep you got. The only ones that should matter for people that want to hard core are ones that should be won in quest and not tradeable. Now there would be something worth your time. As for the market it has always sucked. It's not really playing a game when you sit in one spot for hours spamming buy/sell. If thats your thing your waisting your talents. gather some money and play the stocks its a much better thing to do.

The casual player aspect meant that no weapon, armor or anything for that matter would be less powerful than those who grind. Also, it meant that you could leave for 2 days, 1 month, 6 months, year or however long and you wouldn't behind the crowd in 'gear'. Rare weapons cater to hardcore players so they had something to work for. Why can't there be hardcore players? It matters because that's how we like to play, we like to acquire and work for rare skins.

You're telling people how to play the game they paid for. As I've said in previous posts, there are more to this game than casual players and we shouldn't be forced to "play less" as you are insinuating so people can catch up. That is complete and utter bullshit. Maybe you don't care about your weapon, but some people do. You're not the entire player base as your attitude in the post implies.

Your post sickens me.

HawkofStorms · Oct 08, 2007, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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Originally Posted by jackie

Even one certain individual (many propably know who) managed to manipulate ecto price a little bit at material trader long time ago. And remember when some items were sold out from traders, superior absorption at one point etc, those weren't always just random coincidence.

Nothing major that had long term effect though.

I doubt the legitamacy of those claims. Many of the richest players of GW that I know have explicitly debunked claims that they can control the market signifcantly.
And even if they could, in the possibility that a price spike wouldn't happen, those richest players in the game would suddenly become broke. It seems to high risk of an investment for me.

freaky naughty · Oct 09, 2007, 01:00 AM // 01:00

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

It isn't hard to get wealthy in GW, if you PvP. It only takes a low req Crystalline/Stygian to drop and you have a few hundred ecto right there. PvE only players get screwed over in the long run.

Yeah because those drop like crazy

Crom The Pale · Oct 09, 2007, 01:20 AM // 01:20

Haveing the Hall of Hero's the only place the best of the best high end PvE items drop has always been a rather sticky point for many people.

Now I am not saying that a PvP player does not need or want a rare skin. BUT that drop in PvP should have been customized to that player or better yet been an unlock so they could simply add the skin to any pvp char they make.

As for rare drops, well they are rare but there should be some real limit on just how rare and unatainable an item is. I vanquished 4 zones in Tyria this weekend and recieved 0 gold drops, 6 purple(all merch items).

Now I am not asking for every monster to drop a gold, but there really is NO reason for this...

On Hard Mode the Judge is a lvl 27 boss and he drops 6g item.

o m g pizowned · Oct 09, 2007, 01:56 AM // 01:56

no game is really meant for casual or grinders..theres a casual part to every game, and a grinding part of every game

zamial · Oct 09, 2007, 02:00 AM // 02:00

A long time ago in a outpost far away.....or somthin like that, I decided to look up EVERY weapon in the game and look at its skin and if it was dyeable. Then I proceeded forward with the plan to acquire the items. Repeat with armor. Shiny 1337 crap that was way overpriced to begin with, and still is, is not on my list.
I have never bought a crystalline and never will, looks way to noob to me.....

btw: KoaBD is up to 21 maxed. Flame if ya want but I will always side on the weapon that looks the best to me over what the community deems 1337.

Malice Black · Oct 09, 2007, 02:28 AM // 02:28

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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

Haveing the Hall of Hero's the only place the best of the best high end PvE items drop has always been a rather sticky point for many people.

Now I am not saying that a PvP player does not need or want a rare skin. BUT that drop in PvP should have been customized to that player or better yet been an unlock so they could simply add the skin to any pvp char they make.

As for rare drops, well they are rare but there should be some real limit on just how rare and unatainable an item is. I vanquished 4 zones in Tyria this weekend and recieved 0 gold drops, 6 purple(all merch items).

Now I am not asking for every monster to drop a gold, but there really is NO reason for this...

http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw631sw7.jpg

On Hard Mode the Judge is a lvl 27 boss and he drops 6g item.

Wow..thats kinda screwed. I've got atleast one gold from most areas I've vanquished so far.

MarlinBackna · Oct 09, 2007, 04:05 AM // 04:05

"Shiny" weapons I guess are being held by the exorbitantly rich, but GW:EN drops a crap-ton of the rare skins (crystalline, elemental, collosal to name a few) and I imagine the price of those going down as everything else...*sigh* I agree that the market now only consist of either absolute crap or super 1337 ballin' stuff.

Snow Bunny · Oct 09, 2007, 06:02 AM // 06:02

I still think I have 3 "Shiny" weapons...but...it's only certain collectors that care about them. I've advertised all of them in KC,LA,KMDN, and I've only got window shoppers.
q8 15^50 shinobi blade, q7 15^50 fellblade, and q10 cryst 15^50, all uninscribable.

But....you can get your shitty inscribable crysts and fellblades now...I don't know about shinobis...

I used to hover around the 2 mil mark in cash....I have maybe 480k now

..... it's not like I need cash for anything....but...it's weird how everything I had is basically valueless now...it's sort of lame...

Lord Sojar · Oct 09, 2007, 07:01 AM // 07:01

The most expensive item in the game isn't mini Kanaxai. It is the req7 15% unconditional Serpent Axe. /win

Wild Karrde · Oct 09, 2007, 10:47 AM // 10:47

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Originally Posted by booooYA

Why aren't I entitled to the gold I earned?

What I'm telling you that just because they're more common doesn't mean they drop as often. Think about it, this game has been around for 2 years so of course there is going to be more weapons in the market whether they drop frequently or not.

Thanks for telling me how to play my game. If I want to farm and accumulate money I should be able to do so, and A-Net should cater to those players who enjoy hardcore farming just as those who enjoy to play casually and they used to; until everyone became whiny socialist bitches.

No one said you werent entitled to the gold you EARNED. I said you arent entitled to VAST amounts of gold. If you go out an earn it so be it, but because its harder to earn that much now as you claim, theres no reason for anet to make it easier for you to earn gold because you think you are entitled to it. Think of it this way. You get to grind even more for gold now, I mean that is what you want isnt it? more grind?

Im not telling you how to play your game even though you continue to accuse me of it when I have stated in posts "I DONT CARE HOW YOU PLAY, PLAY HOWEVER YOU WANT"

I think you need to stop and just breathe for a second and really look at what you are so pissed off about.

Your angry cause rare (or used to be rare) weapons have gone down in price and now you can make as much a profit off them as you used to. You blame Anet for it; and maybe they have had something to do with it. But you answered the biggest reason for it in your post and you didnt even realize it and you think its anets fault.

Look at your quote above.......

Ok you see where it says "What I'm telling you that just because they're more common doesn't mean they drop as often. Think about it, this game has been around for 2 years so of course there is going to be more weapons in the market whether they drop frequently or not. "

Think about it. Its people like YOU that grind ALOT for rare weapons then go sell them that make the price decline, YOU are putting more of the rare skinned weapons on the market. YOU are making prices decline by your insatiable need for gold. All the grinders that go out and farm as many "rare" weapons as possible and then go sell them for as much as possible have caused the prices to decline.

According to you the rare weapons dont necesarily drop more frequently so its not Anet that ruined this for you, IT WAS YOU AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU. Or did anet have something to do with it?

I agree that some weapons Anet caused to drop more frequently, especially because of hard mode. But its simple supply and demand. After two years of rare weapons being supplied, the demand has gone down.

What do you want Anet to do? Make rares drop less? Take a bunch of them out of the game? Dont just whine about Anet not catering to grinders, when they stated they didnt want this game to have grind in it(they even threw in titles for grinders) Tell us what you think needs to be done, instead of constanly complaining that people are telling you how to play a game that you want to grind in when the game wasnt really designed for it.

Go ahead keep farming and supplying more rare weapons and driving down prices. I dont care. Go ahead get mad about not being able to make vast amounts of moneyas easily as you used to, but dont think your entitled to it. The line is drawn when You think Anet needs to make it so you can earn vast amounts of gold like you used to, And the line is drawn when people get angry about prices going down on rare weapons because they dont want to be on the same level as "noobs" that have them.

Yang Whirlwind · Oct 09, 2007, 12:35 PM // 12:35

I think players can be divided into some rough groups:

1. I bought the game and play now and again when the fancy takes me - don't care about elite armor, weapons, etc.
2. I bought the game and play often, but I don't feel like doing the same things again and again. I might be the best way to make money ... but I just can't be bothered, so i guess I have to do without "shiny".
3. I play a lot and don't mind to spend some of that time doing what other people would consider to be "grinding"
4. I play a whole lot and grind a lot to get the "shiny" items,- this is one of the thing i like best about the game.

Personally I would be category 3 - but I respect everyone and their right to perceive and enjoy GW the way they want to

Yes: dividing people everywhere into 4 easy groups is simplifying in the extreme - but I think most of us can say " I'm mostly #group with a little of #group thrown in"

I will end my "slicing of the world into four pieces" with a little prayer:
Try to be more tolerant of other people! - remember: what goes around comes around!

Smiles from me